Some people believe Rome is Mystery Babylon.
I used to until the Lord opened my eyes.
"And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more."
I think of Hollywood which has perverted the earth more than even Rome has.
I think of the American drug companies ruled by greed and how they have murdered millions across the world with their poison drugs that do more harm than good.
I think of how so many nations have followed America's example of murdering their babies and
the decadent music and lifestyle that has been birthed in America and exported across the world.
I think of the false American Christian prosperity gospel that has invaded the Church of Jesus around the globe.
I think of Monsanto which controls the hybird seed's so farmers across the globe must buy from them to grow food.
I think of how we have been blessed so much by God and how what have returned to Him.
We are the one nation blessed beyond any other nation which has done greater evil against God than any other nation because ' To whom much is given ,much is required '
Don't you see, God has given U.S. more than He has ever given Rome in 2,000 years ?
A few more facts on why Rome is not Mystery Babylon.
What nation set in motion China's rise from a backward's agragarian ,bicycle riding country into an economic super power when Republican President Nixon cracked the door open on his visit in 1972 ?
Who is the primary nation,trading partner buying all these good's from China,buying most the oil from so many nations,Have you visited an of the hundreds of US Ports lately ?
With the falling dollar the Europeans and the world are buying buying from America.
They even brought the Chrysler building yesterday with Arab oil dollars.
What is the Vatican selling or buying that involves world trade and commerce ?
"and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies"
The nations of the earth have not waxed rich by way of Rome.
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
God's people are not in the Roman Catholic whore church but they are at ease in Babylon America.
"How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously"
What other nation has had the standard of living with the middle class that America has had since recorded history ?
Proud perverted America ,be sure to fly the flag high. Flag day approaches for all you idol worshipers out there.
This is going to be the one thing that settles it .
"Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her."
"Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come"
When God sends His final judgment on America it will be destroyed ,utterly burned with fire IN ONE HOUR.
New York city the center of the global economy will be destroyed in one hour.
Do you really believe the merchants of the earth would mourn and weep over Rome being destroyed ?
and what merchandise would they no longer be buying from Rome ?
Sorry ,Rome is not Mystery Babylon and when America is destroyed in one hour many will come to understand this.
I used to until the Lord opened my eyes.
"And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more."
I think of Hollywood which has perverted the earth more than even Rome has.
I think of the American drug companies ruled by greed and how they have murdered millions across the world with their poison drugs that do more harm than good.
I think of how so many nations have followed America's example of murdering their babies and
the decadent music and lifestyle that has been birthed in America and exported across the world.
I think of the false American Christian prosperity gospel that has invaded the Church of Jesus around the globe.
I think of Monsanto which controls the hybird seed's so farmers across the globe must buy from them to grow food.
I think of how we have been blessed so much by God and how what have returned to Him.
We are the one nation blessed beyond any other nation which has done greater evil against God than any other nation because ' To whom much is given ,much is required '
Don't you see, God has given U.S. more than He has ever given Rome in 2,000 years ?
A few more facts on why Rome is not Mystery Babylon.
What nation set in motion China's rise from a backward's agragarian ,bicycle riding country into an economic super power when Republican President Nixon cracked the door open on his visit in 1972 ?
Who is the primary nation,trading partner buying all these good's from China,buying most the oil from so many nations,Have you visited an of the hundreds of US Ports lately ?
With the falling dollar the Europeans and the world are buying buying from America.
They even brought the Chrysler building yesterday with Arab oil dollars.
What is the Vatican selling or buying that involves world trade and commerce ?
"and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies"
The nations of the earth have not waxed rich by way of Rome.
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
God's people are not in the Roman Catholic whore church but they are at ease in Babylon America.
"How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously"
What nation assumes to be the world's big brother and self declared guide and leader ?
What arrogant and pride filled nation decides it's is in a high and mighty position to divide the Israel of God to His enemies ?What other nation has had the standard of living with the middle class that America has had since recorded history ?
Proud perverted America ,be sure to fly the flag high. Flag day approaches for all you idol worshipers out there.
This is going to be the one thing that settles it .
"Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her."
"Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come"
When God sends His final judgment on America it will be destroyed ,utterly burned with fire IN ONE HOUR.
New York city the center of the global economy will be destroyed in one hour.
Do you really believe the merchants of the earth would mourn and weep over Rome being destroyed ?
and what merchandise would they no longer be buying from Rome ?
Sorry ,Rome is not Mystery Babylon and when America is destroyed in one hour many will come to understand this.
17 comments:
Some sincere questions for you Marcel:
This scripture is speaking of "Mystery" Babylon.
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Q. How do we relate this to America?
And it is no "Mystery" that America is a type of Babylon, that is a no brainer for me, it is a plain as the nose on your face. America is the obvious Babylon granted, no "mystery" involved there at all. No spiritual discernment required to come to that conclusion at all, even the heathen see that.
Q. And how do we reconsile the following scripture to fit America?
Revelation 17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Q.Is there perhaps yet to be some great blood bath here for Christians?
Not trying to be contensious just trying to fully understand.
John, may have related things as you have said to his times, but it was not his job to relate things to his time. He was led of the Holy Spirit who knows the creation from begining to end, He has full knowledge of all things, and John wrote as he was directed of the Holy Spirit, not his words but the Words of the Most High God...no errors at all ...he would not have written in error relating to his times the following scripture:
Revelation 17:9
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
The Holy Spirit would not have allowed him to write error.
If we are going to say that, "Oh that actually referred to the old rome that power that no longer exists."
Q.Then how do we relate the following about the destruction of the city on seven hills?
Revelation 18:21
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Q. If we are going to say that the seven hills was referring to old rome that power that was destroyed..then how do we relate to the fact that Rome and the Harlot "Country of the Vatican" still exists and is thriving today?
..I admit its a cunundrum for sure...I am sincere in trying to be clear on all these points things..thanks for your patience..God bless .. I fully understand how you have come to your conclusions.
Some sincere questions for you Marcel:
This scripture is speaking
of "Mystery" Babylon.
SEED SOWER ,
I'll try and address them one at a time.
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Q. How do we relate this to America?
Be patient,
Persecution and death is coming to American Christian's under it's evolvong wicked government.
As the U.S. pushes Satan's New World order she will become more hostile and deadly towards true Christian's.
Wwe can see the change to darkness by the day and hour in America now and the church is worthless, useless,having lost her salt.
Soon the Beast's TRUE personality will no longer be hidden but open.
The salt free Church pays homage to the beast and feigns love for Jesus.
Although the Branch Davidian Cult was not truly 'Christian' the evil nature of the American Beast is evident from a long time ago.
Again as to how QUICKLY they recently rounded up 400 plus children from another cult on false pretense.
The Beast is ready and is practicing,exercising it's steel and muscle for their next moves.
The same spirit of Satan that ruled IMPERIAL Rome is sitting now in IMPERIAL America and this is why I believe we will soon be under a martial law dictatorship.
God gives a wicked nation the wicked leaders they deserve.
The Dictator will enforce Satan's agenda under the lie of fighting terrorism.
He's slithered in under stealth and a grin and a sincere smile.
How easily the unwise virgins ,the
Christians were duped by the wolf they hopped on the back of and soon he will tear them to pieces.
We'll be marked and watched by the Beast's camera's,our email read,our files scrutinized,and Christians pressurd to conform, and our freedom's will be given from the state and not God as long as we bend our knee to the soon to emerge Dictator.
And it is no "Mystery" that America is a type of Babylon, that is a no brainer for me, it is a plain as the nose on your face. America is the obvious Babylon granted, no "mystery" involved there at all. No spiritual discernment required to come to that conclusion at all, even the heathen see that.
OK The mystery is how it has always survived and jumped from empire to empire somewhat hidden as it has been with Washington now.
LOOK AT HOW MANY CHRISTIANS ARE DUPED BY THIS BEAST WHO DOES NOT HIDE HIS INTENT MUCH ANYMORE. AND THEY ARE STILL DUPED.
Q. And how do we reconsile the following scripture to fit America?
Revelation 17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
The woman ,the false church ran to Bush and got him elected ,they are partakers in his evil from Israel to setting up his anti-Christ world order whch Daniel tell's us will make war with the saints.
Be patient ,it's coming here too.
The Beast which American Chrisitans elected in 2000 and 2004 will soon turn on them and kill most of them.
The Beast that the decieved woman (evangelical church in America) helped get into power is holding hands in Rome today with another whore who wear's a white dress.
news ;
"Pope Benedict gave George W. Bush an unprecedented welcome in the tranquility of the Vatican Gardens on Friday before the U.S. president resumed his campaign to rally European support for sanctions against Iran.
It was the first time a meeting with a head of state at the Vatican was not held in the pope's private study and was meant to repay Bush for the warm White House lawn reception the pope got in April on his 81st birthday."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080613/ts_nm/bush_europe_dc
Q.Is there perhaps yet to be some great blood bath here for Christians?
Yes ,for sure and God will allow it to prepare His bride.
Those American Christian's who stay with the Beast Geroge and persecute we the remnant with this evil government go to hell with their lord the fasle peacemaker who destroys many in Israel by his evil Road Map.
How can any true Christian in America have good thoughts or feelings toward this man and ignore his crafty,devious, evil works against the Kingdom of God.
He has seduced the bride and they ride on his back.
Not trying to be contensious just trying to fully understand.
John, may have related things as you have said to his times, but it was not his job to relate things to his time. He was led of the Holy Spirit who knows the creation from begining to end, He has full knowledge of all things, and John wrote as he was directed of the Holy Spirit, not his words but the Words of the Most High God...no errors at all ...he would not have written in error relating to his times the following scripture:
There is no error ,At the time he wrote inspired by the Holy Spirit ,The Roman Empire was the seat of Mystery Babylon ,the Roman church did not even exist.
Thats where you go it it wrong.
John was describing the Capitol ,the seat of the Roman Empire not the Roman Church ,it didn't exist then.
He did see the false church in the future made up of the protestant/catholic whore where he wondered with great wonder, amazement,shock.
God only has a remnant.Notice how Billy Graham/Chuck Colsen,TBNBeny hinn,Jack Van Impe ect. have been cozy with Rome for decades now even though not fully united with Rome.
The Roman Empire persecuted the early church,the Catholic Church is much like it's sister Islam in so many ways and God will deal with them together.
I hope this helps you see ?
Revelation 17:9
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
The Holy Spirit would not have allowed him to write error.
If we are going to say that, "Oh that actually referred to the old rome that power that no longer exists."
No error, and the mystery/power still exists ,that is why it has been a hidden mystery until now.
When America is destroyed it will jump back to Europe.I think the devil has his 'defender of faith' man ready in Britan which Daniel tells us this lion will be given the heart of a man .Prince Charles bears watching after America is soon destroyed.
Q.Then how do we relate the following about the destruction of the city on seven hills?
Revelation 18:21
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
An Atlantic Tsunami will most likely wipe out much of the East coast of America,especially New york City ,the seat of much 'love of money is the root of all evil'.
Rome is not near any large sea.
Q. If we are going to say that the seven hills was referring to old rome that power that was destroyed..then how do we relate to the fact that Rome and the Harlot "Country of the Vatican" still exists and is thriving today?
Rome does not exercise power over us ,but the government does,
Most Catholics across the globe do not listen to Rome,they do as they please.
The PRIEST'S like the apostate evangelical church PASTOR'S in America tell Christian's to obey Satan's end time government.
WE WILL HAVE TO REBEL AND SAY NO WHEN IT COMES TO THE GOVERNMENT MARK OR WE ARE DAMNED TO HEL FOREVER.
Sadly the sleeping shepherd's are not preparing hte saints to say no to Washington.
Thriving ? No Rome is dying ,already under God's judgment,so many Catholics like myself have left Rome and with the pedophil;e priests sexually abusinf the laity ,more have left.
They have lost hundreds of millions from law suits and the Roman Church in Europe is dead .Their churches are more like dark ,empty and dank funeral parlors.
Rome is a shell of it's once great rule.
Its' interesting that the devils media give his Pope and church much air time and make a big deal of this nobody pope and nothing ROME.
I believe it is because Satan has set up the Pope to be the false prophet beside the anti-Christ.
..I admit its a cunundrum for sure...I am sincere in trying to be clear on all these points things..thanks for your patience..God bless .. I fully understand how you have come to your conclusions.
Mystery Babylon IS indeed a mystery to most of the so called believers in Babylon.
A friend and I have been sounding the trumpet to "so called brethren" in our area for 3 years and hardly anyone believes that the US could be Mystery Babylon.
They are WILLFULLY ignorant.
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
1) Think of the Indians that were "cleared out" to make room for the "civilized" white men from Europe.
2) Think of the slaves that were rounded up by their own countrymen in Africa and sold to these "civilized" white men from Europe.
3) Think of ALL the innocent victims that have been killed by our attempting to spread "freedom" throughout the world that we don't have at home ourselves anymore.
4) Think of all the drugs our leaders allow in to kill the poor, illegal immigrants, etc.
5) Think of all the TRUE believers in the world that are oppressed and killed by our Dominionist "christian" leaders and their false TBN gospel.
Iraqi Christians are being killed RIGHT NOW by Mystery Babylon.
Afghani Christians are being killed RIGHT NOW by Mystery Babylon.
Iranian Christians are next....
North Korean Christians will be after them....
Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
The following site is Pre-Trib but this info is good:
http://www.apocalypsesoon.org/xfile-6.html
""The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits," Revelation 17:9 (NIV).
The above passage is most often used by those who would like to identify end-times Babylon with the Roman Catholic Church. It is well known that at one time Rome was built over seven hills. However, the Greek word that the NIV translates as "hill" is the word hora. This word is more accurately interpreted by the KJV and other versions as "mountain." The Greek word for "hill" is the word bounos. This word is one that was borrowed from Latin after the Roman conquests specifically to refer to the "hills" of Rome. To my knowledge there is no reference in ancient Greek literature that describes the hills of Rome as "seven hora," and they are always referred to as "the seven bounos of Rome." There is no precedent whatsoever to use the word hora to describe the seven hills of Rome.
The primary definition of the Greek word hora is "mountain," but it could also be used to refer to "vast expanse," "large land mass," or "continent." The official Statue of Liberty website (http://www.nps.gov/stli/prod02.htm) has this to say about the seven-rayed crown which she wears,
"The seven rays of the Statue's crown represent the seven seas and continents of the world."
"...the great prostitute, who sits on many waters." Revelation 17:1
"The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages," 17:15.
"There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that... had seven heads and ten horns." 17:3
"The seven heads are seven hora on which the woman sits." 17:9."
(End Excerpt)
That Rome is Mystery Babylon is just another part in the devils never ending shell game......
Jmaes ,Thank you so much for more light on this important subject.
It's been a long time since I've been ot Pietro's website Apocalypse soon.
I lost it and forgot it after my computer crahsed some years ago.
interesting how the Lord direct's His children to the same unpolluted waters to drink from.
The majority of the decieved without oil church in America resist those like us who offend their true lord ,their Beast Baal Master.
They hold him in high reverence and do not like us soiling their idol America.
They will be destroyed along with their idol unless they repent and this door is almost shut.
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exerpt from Jim'email today ;
Everything that can be
shaken will be shaken, and that judgment of the Church comes first.
Only the Word of God will stand in this shaking. We will cry in
desperation to the One whose name is called the Word of God.
We see it now, how Israel suffers isolation and rejection by the
Nations. As this rejection of the Nations against Israel grows, we
will then also see the Church suffer intense persecution. Most see it
now being set up with the hate crime laws, and antichrist direction
of all the governments of this world, who's Nations are MAD. There
will be a universal rejection of people who are standing IN and upon
ONLY the Word of God. Sadly, we know many believers will choose
compromise to escape persecution.
Yet, there is good news for those who are IN Messiah, who refuse the
flattery of the antichrist religions, denominations, and governments -
And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by
flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong,
and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall
instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by
captivity, and by spoil, many days. Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and
greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Dan 11:32-33 & John 14:12.
The destiny of the land in which you now dwell quite literally is in
the hands of those who are standing as Priests and Intercessor
Watchmen before God. I do hope and pray that you have determined to
live in the full counsel of God. Man does not live by bread alone but
by EVERY Word that proceedeth from the mouth of God. The KJV, that I
like to call the King Jesus Version, is the ONLY Bible where you can
get EVERY Word of God. Everything that can be shaken is about to be
shaken. Only the Word of God will remain unmoved. The words of the
LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified
seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them
from this generation for ever. Is the Word of God your first love?
That holy priesthood, whose first love is the Word of God, are the
ones who now must continue to press into the Mystery of the Ages. It
is His faithful Intercessors and Watchmen of this holy priesthood who
will cause many to come to know true righteousness. It is this holy
priesthood who will stand for Israel or see their Nation destroyed as
it comes against Jerusalem. Judgment is coming over the Nations on
the issue of Israel, but when we stand with Israel, it will release
the Grace of God found in that supernatural enablement called
REPENTANCE.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for
all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in
pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together
against it.
Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem. Pray Psalm 83 every day. Only be
very strong and of good courage. Stay IN the Word.
From Chittim, Isa 23:1,
Shalom & Simcha,
Jim Searcy
The mystery of Mystery Babylon is similar to a scene in an old movie and blended with reality...
"Pay no attention to the whore behind the curtain."
And BTW..
Yes, it is interesting how The Lord directs us to clean water!
The following page has a list of end time sites that starts near the bottom and continues on to the next page.
I've read most of them and some others like Apocalypse Soon also.
It gives a "mostly" fair assessment of the sites from a Post Trib point of view.
The Tribulation Network has a few things it needs to repent of however. It has been getting ecumenical with Catholics recently and I don't care for the way they mock Antipas for seeing a literal "come out" for Christians here in Babylon.
http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/ebooks/rise_or_fall/rise_or_fall_of_american_empire_p15a-2.htm
Test all things!
Most of these also:
http://www.yesumulungi.com/YesuMulungi_End_Time_Study_Links.htm
Since Kato's returned to Uganda I haven't heard much from him.
Antipas, I had a problem with their hard left political focus and latent anti-Israel bias.
I cornered Sean on this,and didn't like his answer.
I like Joshua 5;13-14 and how Jesus is 'neither' left or right and we should be outside of this failed left right political system.
Are they still in B.C. with the Sacramento donation's address ?
If they are then maybe they should come out all the way.
There are many antiIsrael wolves among the sheep like Rick Wiles at Trunews who say almost everything so well scripturally but they curse the root of their faith.
Romans 11;18-22 is something they have forgotten.
I'll have to check out the tribulation
network.
Yeah, Kato's is where I found your page :)
I haven't read the "Antipas Papers". Maybe I should. I don't want to give out bad info.
Have you watched Antipas's "Greed is Good" movie?
They seem to get down on both parties equally though probably not as much as some.
The Republicans are Nazi's and Democrats are Communists would be the harshest and most accurate definitions of each party.
I stay away from both.
Antipas left BC and is now back in Cali waiting to leave for Germany from what their site says...
A few times I heard some of Rick Wiles. Not enough to know everything he believes.
"Vision from AA Allen" was one I think...
I can spot British Israelism a mile away and avoid it like the plaque that it is.
Also read some of Ben Freedman a while back if you know what I mean.
I believe:
Romans 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
I long for the day when the natural and grafted in branches are one.
James ,
just finished reading the 2 chapters you sent from tribulation Network .they/he saw the same I saw about antipas and fled.
Here's an exerpt.
"Many of you are familiar with the controversy between Dene McGriff/Doug Krieger and S. R. Shearer and the reasons why we left Antipas back in 2004-2005 over the issue of S.R.’s interpretation of “The Gospel of the Kingdom” and of “fleeing Babylon” (Revelation 18:4). Some of our consternation with Antipas Ministries is covered in Dene McGriff’s article: Flee or Testify? and What’s Happening to Antipas Ministries? The site is post-tribulational and integrates strong elements of left-leaning, social-justice-style liberation theology immersed in a radical call to pre-millenarian/post-tribulational activism; yet, says that only the coming of Jesus Christ will ultimately bring such social justice on the globe – but that doesn’t mean the Church’s mission must continually speak out against the merchants of the earth who are having a field day of trafficking in the bodies and souls of men.
S.R. Shearer would find common cause and expression with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and, though he would outright reject the “Emergent Church” side of Rick Warren’s efforts, he would inadvertently find common cause with Warren’s emphasis upon the SOCIAL GOSPEL—i.e., stealing the thunder of liberal Christianity and waging war on poverty, disease, hunger and other social distortions, while supporting education and those efforts which combat social disintegration. To both S.R. Shearer and Rick Warren, these two pillars are of EQUAL importance in the gospel’s message of salvation and deliverance.""
Clearly, Antipas Ministries embraces many of the Tribulation Network’s eschatology, but it is first and foremost (today) a rant against the Corptocracy from an evangelical perspective. Efforts to escape Babylon’s shores have been met with indifference and some consternation by those who moved to Canada and have now returned to Babylon’s citadel (the Americans) after a spat in the Canadian wilderness. Notwithstanding this apparent interlude, S.R. (at least) plans (after a junket throughout the USA) to move to Germany in a final effort to “flee Babylon.”
Instead of a resounding embrace of Revelation 11 and – in the spirit of both Daniel and John – embrace the God of the whole universe and the Testimony of Jesus in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation among whom we are to shine as lights – Antipas Ministries believes that those of us determined by the grace of God to resist the devil in the street of the Great City, while calling people to repentance here and now, will “partake of her plagues and sins” and diminish what little testimony is heard on her streets prior to her inevitable judgment.
We at the Tribulation Network believe this emphasis of fleeing the physicality of Babylon is simply indefensible and flies in the face of the insurmountable evidence and emphases throughout the Word of God for the saints to persevere and endure until the end – wherever believers find themselves. It is our hope and prayer that S.R. Shearer will place Revelation 18:4 in its proper context at the extremity of the Seventieth Week and, with us, take his stand within the Holy City against that Great City. And, notwithstanding some who think that we’ve missed the mark on the timing of Revelation 18:4 – that it is as much a call of rapture/resurrection prior to Babylon’s final demise and the pouring out of the Wrath of God and Wrath of the Lamb upon the earthlings and upon their city, Babylon the Great and the close of the 1,260th day of the latter half of Daniel’s 70th Week – we cannot affirm any other interpretation of this magnitude being placed in the Scriptures at this juncture than what we have so concluded. It is equivalent to the same injunction given in Revelation 11:12 . . . and it is wholly orchestrated by Divine intervention, not manipulated by human contrivance"
Antipas turned me off with their Israel view.
I find that rat 'british Israelism' often and it's head is pride I do inform these deceived folks that God has lost nothing,let alone tribes.
It's 1 of many false doctrines that infect the Church.
Jesus will clean and refine His bride.
Who is Ben freeman ?
Tribulation Network link you sent was really insightful and ended with Corrie Ten Boom's wise words.
I need to check it out some more.
I don't know what Rick Wiles problem with Israel is but there is a root of bitterness,rage,hate that will destroy him if he dosn't repent.
I noticed when you say you love Israel ,God will test you and allow a bad Israeli to hurt you,offend you or rob you.
I've see this happen often ,and sadly too many believers hold unforgivness and a grudge which festers and grows into a tree of Hitler like hate and bitterness.
We're suppose to forgive and we are TESTED by God always.
I've warned Rick personally and need to pray for him because the root grows unless we cut it off.
The Tribulation Network used to be part of Antipas and was called Pergamos Ministries when they were.
I have a few beefs with The Tribulation Network.
First, they intellectualize the end time events too much and don't let the Scriptures (which cannot be broken) speak for themselves enough.
They frequently use college level language thereby excluding a significant portion of our dumbed down population.
Our Lord was just as happy to call fishermen as He was to call tax collectors. And He spoke in a way they could understand without carrying a college dictionary with them...
And let us not forget Moses, a man of slow speech...
Second, they use Jeremiah 50 and 51to prove Mystery Babylon's identity yet disregard that there are no less than 5 passages of Scripture therein (which cannot be broken) that cross reference John's call to "come out" in Revelation 18:4!
Jeremiah 50:8
Jeremiah 51:6
Jeremiah 51:9
Jeremiah 51:45
Jeremiah 51:50
Third, they called a practicing catholic "brother" with open arms when the Scripture clearly states:
1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an IDOLATER, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person.
Catholics are clearly idolaters and though one may profess Christ, they must repent of their idolatry or they will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 IDOLATRY, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
I'm still not aware of what Antipas teaches about Israel.
Benjamin Freedman was a Jew that was convinced to hate his own race by filthy white supremacists who espoused the "Protocols". I really don't want to say much more as that doctrine is filth.
Yes. Let us pray Rick Wiles repents.
No need to worry about my love for Jews or Gentiles alike.
I've been practically destroyed by bad ones from each olive tree and I still love them and forgive them!
Be prepared to love and forgive all who may betray, persecute and kill us.
James ,
Praise God ,I'm glad you're here.
I noticed the writer kept it anything but simple.
After posting the Richard Perry youtube video I notied in another video that he sees the Arab/Islamic countries as the anti-Christ kingdom.
I don't know for sure ?
There is alot of junk mixture and confusion mixed with the truth with many ministries as you pointed out with Tribulation Network.
I think we all have an imperfect view which as Daniel wrote would change for the better among the Lords remnant.
I'd say Antipas hides their anti-Israel bias well then.
For many it's not overt but it's there .A little leaven is enough.
Maybe Email them and ask them where they stand ?
I've noticed in my walk that 'higher education' among Christian's is a snare that most often fills the earthen vessel with swelling pride.
My last pastor and church had this unholy mixture and I agree and see how the Lord chooses the 'unwise' and tears down every high place.
The ungodly foundation of 'higher education can been sen by it's religion of evolution.
I find often that Christian anti-Israel bias is hidden but always jumps out as what is in the heart eventually comes out.
Like many believers Pastor Chuck Baldwin's promised land is America
This idol in their heart has taken pre-emmenince over Israel and what God is doing related to it.
When he praised Charley Reese that was enough for me to understand where he was at.
Having come out of Rome ,I've leaarned to trust no man and it is always a sign of apostacy when so called Christians embrace Rome or get cozy with this evil religious system which ahs deceived and damned so many souls.
the fact that T.N. is cozy with a Roman Catholic speaks volumn's to me.
Tahnks again.
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Marcel,
I know of at least 3 other local brethren besides myself that are blessed by your Blog!
Richard has some good info on his site although I don't necessarily agree with it all.
He thinks that the second seal in Revelation is opened already and yes, I've seen his thoughts on an islamic antichrist coinciding with their "mahdi".
The scriptures do call him "the Syrian" so I tend to keep an open mind as to where he is coming from.
Also, he is called the "King of Babylon" so that may point in our direction.
All we can do is test all things according to The Scriptures like the Bereans.
I'll read through some of Antipas's material and see where they are coming from concerning Israel.
Yes, I do whatever I can to dissuade people from attending the Atheistic, Secular Humanistic, Evolutionist, brain defiling institutions of excrement called college.
All they do is ruin brains, not educate them.
Almost sounds like Chuck Baldwin is a Dominionist, a mason or a mormon. Those are the only religions that believe Mystery Babylon is the promised land.
I've seen Reese's site before, I think that is where I read about Ben Freedman.
Concerning all the latest stuff with the "third wave" with Todd Bentley at the helm.
If we go back to the "first wave", that was Toronto. I'm not sure if you are aware or not but John Wimber, the founder of Vineyard, apologized to the pope for the Protestant Reformation!
The ecumenical movement was helped greatly by Wimbers words.
The church I first believed at has been practically destroyed by all this foolishness.
And most other local churches like the AOG are infected with it as well.
No one can endure sound doctrine anymore like Paul prophesied.
The "second wave" was Rodney Howard Browne from Brownsville, Fla.
I'm getting sea sick with all these waves.
A few good things about waves I found in the Scriptures:
Jeremiah 51:42 The sea has come up over Babylon; She is covered with the multitude of its waves.
Jeremiah 51:55 Because the Lord is plundering Babylon And silencing her loud voice, Though her waves roar like great waters, And the noise of their voice is uttered,
Thanks James,
Wimbers gone,gone,gone.
I'm thankful to the Lord for how He has kept and led me thru this maze of deception and mush withing the church itself.
Thanks for Tribulation Network ,been reading most of the morning and wil post some of it on the blog shortly.
It's so much to do with what you just wrote here.
I like it !
Thanks again.
If you doubt the identity of New York City as Babylon, my advice to you is to go to Google Maps and actually look at a map of New York City. Look at Long Island. Look at the heart of Long Island and you will see the name Babylon. Research the history of the name. You will be shocked.
Rev. mentions "Great Babylon" and "Mystery Babylon" as if they are two separate and distinct Babylons. When "Great Babylon" is used, it clearly appears to be describing America, but when Mystery Babylon is used, it clearly appears to be describing the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) and for good reason. Who'd ever suspect the RCC, the largest denomination of Christianity, as Mystery Bablylon, except those of us familiar with Dave Hunt's work, or the work of others who have investigated the apostasy of the RCC? Is it possible that everybody has missed that there are two Babylons being described in the book of Revelation? It won't be decided based on the bible version one is using, but will be decided based on what the original text says, maybe with the assistance of an online bible concordance.
If anyone can locate any scholarly work on this subject please be kind enough to email the link to me at Armageddon.thru.to.you (at) gmail.com
something to keep in mind is it will most likely be more than just Rome,but also the rest of apostate protestant evangelical Mormon,unity,and other assorted cults united under the umbrella of Rome.
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