Steve Scott
What Romans 13 is not and what I think it is
As a supposedly bible believing, conservative Christian, I have always been taught that Romans 13 teaches us to obey the civil government (with a very few notable exceptions). I've heard it from pulpits, in theology books, and quite often as cliches from the mouths of believers. But I'm going to submit right here right now that a simple reading of the text, taken in the context of Paul writing to the church at Rome, and taken in the context of not only Romans 12-14, but of the entire book as well, and comparing it with similar passages elsewhere, demands a different conclusion.
This supposed obedience to the government is demanded in every instance, so we are told, both outwardly and from the heart, with only two exceptions: when the state commands us to do something God forbids, or when the state forbids us to do something God commands. And living in such a wonderful and free place as America means that these exceptions rarely exist for us. They exist in godless places like communist China, Iran, North Korea and Indonesia.
But a look at the text reveals no command to obey whatsoever. We are told to be "in subjection to the governing authorities." But subjection is not the same as obedience, and it is only assumed that this subjection is to the state. Now, I'm not sure what could be meant by this if it were not the state, so just for the sake of argument, I'll address this topic as if it were the state. In future posts on this issue I'll develop my ideas further, but for now I'll simply state what I think Romans 13 means.
It means this: subjection is required, not in obeying any and all laws, ordinances, statutes and the like of civil government, but only if you are being punished for a real (as determined by Scripture) evil that you have actually committed. In other words, if you have committed an act of evil, and are to be punished for it, accept your punishment as the ordinance of God. Verse 5 reads, "wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake." Wrath, because God has decreed that evildoers receive it, and conscience because we as Christians cannot believe that we have the right to do evil without consequences. Most interpretations I've heard dictate that we obey all laws for the sake of conscience. But I think it means that we submit to just punishment if it is warranted so that we don't allow our consciences to think that we can commit evil and get away with it just because we're Christians who have already been forgiven by God for our sins. This is miles from the status quo on this, but I think it is right. Romans 13 has nothing whatsoever to do with legislation by civil governments, but only with execution of justice; and this justice is defined by Scripture alone.
Much more to come on this topic.
Re-Thinking Romans 13 (Part 2)
Rebuking Caesar and cutting him down, too.
22 comments:
As far as Romans 13 and a Babylonian citizen....
The Constutution is still in effect and is the supreme law of the land which makes the people their OWN rulers.
That is what fake Religious Right "christians" forget or never knew in the first place.
They try to subject us to Roman law all the while forgetting that the last gasps of the Roman Empire went silent in 1453 when the Eastern Roman Empire fell.
They also forget that the US was created to be a Constitutional Republic, NOT a Democracy.
Which means rights come from God alone and are inalienable, or unable to be seperated from a citizen of The US by any means whatsoever.
Which also means my rights aren't subject to any other citizens vote as to whether I have them or not. And no other citizens rights can be voted down by me.
Which also means.... we can do whatever we please as long as it doesn't infringe on our neighbors right to do as he pleases.
Now we all know the founders were talking about their "god" of freemasonry but they left it open to whomever a citizen wanted their God to be by the wording of the Declaration.
Hopefully, a Christian that finds himself in the midst of such freedom will use it to submit unto the one true living God and not the flesh.
But really, when all is said and done, the American Revolution was rebellion against a sovereign king and therefore against God... but it happened and nonetheless the Constitution IS the supreme law of this land until it is declared null and void.
Which I'm sure it will be shortly....
'But really, when all is said and done, the American Revolution was rebellion against a sovereign king and therefore against God... but it happened and nonetheless the Constitution IS the supreme law of this land until it is declared null and void.'
Yes ,America was birthed in rebellion against the word of God. Romans 13 condemns our founders.
We will shortly see the rebellion return again.
I will not participate because my citizenship is not here but asbove.
The Constitution was written for a God fearing people not pagan devil worshiping savages and that is why it is already null and void.
They twist it to mean whatever the demons who rule over them says.
Not even the Roman Empire had the severe judgment and downfall that we in Babylon now begin to see.
I Agree with what this man says, one has to read romans 13 and study it in its full context excellent comentary.
I don't believe the Constitution is null and void but I do believe it was dedicated not to the one, true God but the god of freemasonry.
Nevertheless, they capitalized God and I will use my Babylonian citizenship for any means I need to.
If one reads Romans 13 in light of what the founders said, "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God", who wrote the law of OUR land, then it is a citizens duty to disobey unjust laws.
Even to the point of arms......which I personally will not ever do as MY God tells me not to resist an evil man.
I cannot believe what I am reading! God says to pray for those in leadeship! Period! He did not tell us how to pray; but if we pray according to His will it is that all men come to Him. We are to pray that the evil they may decide to perform will faulter and fail. Just one example of this is Ester and Mordacia. King David did not raise a finger against King Saul; who turned out to be a reprobate who had rebelled or ignored God; as have many Western leaders.
God has instructed us, none the less, to pray for our leaders! I do not say this, this is not my opinion, it is God's command.
Whoever does not pray for President Elect Obama is not obeying God's stated will! How much more simple can this get in context of His will? I cannot understand the confusion on this matter.
As far as Freemasonry is concerned, in my younger days (around 25 years ago!) I belonged to a Masonic Lodge; I was a 32 degree mason and heading toward my final degree. There is no conspiricy regarding Free Masonry; it is time to grow up in that regard. They are a tight nit organization of mostly businessmen, bankers and lawyers; the upper class of society for the most part. That is all for goodness sake. We are starting to sound like a bunch of communist or Islamist when we talk of groups, social groups as Freemasonry in such a manner. Who will be the next boggie man-the Moose Lodge or the Elks Club?
The British Empire failed because they served the purpose for which God established them in the first place, just as happened to the Roman Empire. Forces arose that brought their defeat on the battlefield and others took their place. God raises up and He casts aside; as He wills.
We are to pray for souls to come to the Kingdom. His Kingdom. The major task, and it is a task of a priest is intercession.
There is a prophet or prophetess on every street corner in this nation, what we need are intercessors. People who can move Heaven and Earth with their petitions. God will listen to people that know Him and have built a reputation and a history of faithfulness, communion and intercession.
Let the dollar fall, let the economy go into the tank for a season if need be, we will be here for our neighbors in their time of need, to pray with them, to give them food if we have any, and to be an example of the faithfulness of our heavenly Father in time of financial, spiritual, and economic famine.
'The British Empire failed because they served the purpose for which God established them in the first place, just as happened to the Roman Empire.'
The fell because of of wickedness.
America is nose deep in wickedness and there is no call to national repentance from the apostate salt-less Church only the call to pray for a new reprobate leader Obama.
8 years of decieved Christians praying for their hero Bush the wolf accomplished nothing.
Not one unborn baby was saved from abortion under 8 years of the evil one so many apostate Christian's acquired a crush on.
GOD DID NOT HEAR YOUR PRAYERS AS HE WILL NOT HEAR YOUR PRAYERS FOR OBAMA DEAR BLIND ONE LEADING THE BLIND.
You don't seem to like the prophets message and so here is some more from them.
I have no doubt these scriptures below will NEVER be found on your blog as your messsage is a half watered down message.
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If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart
Malachai 2:2
Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.
Jer 7:16
Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.
Jer 6:19
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
Isaiah 66:4
Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.
Jeremiah11:14
When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence.
Jeremiah 14;12
Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.
Ezekiel 8:18
Randy, God says to pray for ALL men, enemies included. The scripture is here:
1 Timothy 2:1-4
1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Why pray for those in authority?
So that WE may lead a quiet and peaceable life AND that they be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
NOT for ANY other reasons.
And you are lying to us about freemasonry, boldfaced lying to us.
freemasonry (purposely UNcapitalized) is a vile satanic orginazation of which there is a TON of proof.
Manley P Hall and Albert Pike, BOTH high degree masons and masonic authors, proclaimed that the god (also purposely UNcapitalized) that masons worship is indeed lucifer (also purposely UNcapitalized)
What is the A.L. dating system in masonry? It means "Anno Lucis" or After Lucifer. Deny it to my face but I won't believe you.
You never read Finney's expose` on masonry? It was from a Christian point of view.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Freemasonry/moody-finney.htm
And what of the 5 pointed star that sits abouve the "white house" in DC that was designed by a French freemason?
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=DC+Pentagram
Is that a symbol of good? Not so..
If you were indeed a 32 degree freemason or more truthfully a 32 degree slavemason, you need to renounce it and repent of it if you want to see life, eternal life that is.
Here is what the AUTHOR of the Declaration of Independence had to say about rights.............
"A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of
nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate." --Thomas
Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774
Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin both said "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God"
These guys drafted the supreme law of this land.
If those who wrote the supreme law of this land say the people choose their own rights, that is what God will hold us to.
And like I said, I will NEVER take up arms but I WILL use my Babylonian citizenship when I need to.
In all truth, a citizen of this country only has to obey God rather than man according to the founders who wrote the laws of this land.
Does anyone even know the Constitution or that it alone is the basis for all laws in this country?
"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot
be converted into a crime."
Miller v. U.S. 230 F 486 at 489
"Where rights as secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which will abrogate them."
Miranda v. Ariz., 384 U.S. 436 at 491 (1966).
"The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute,
though having the form and name of law, is in reality no
law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose;
since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's
enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law, and no courts are bound to enforce it." -
Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Section 256 137, 180
"Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection and justifies no acts
performed under it. No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it."
16 Am Jur 2nd Section 177
"Where rights as secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which will abrogate them."
Miranda v. Ariz.,
384 U.S. 436 at 491 (1966).
"All laws, rules and practices which are repugnant to
the Constitution are null and void."
Marbury v. Madison
"The United States is entirely a creature of the Constitution. Its power and authority have no other source. It can only act in accordance with all the limitations imposed by the Constitution."
Reid v Covert 354 US l (1957)
"When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
Justice William O. Douglas
I was blind, but now I see! What I see right now is a group of Believers that have hated the government for 8 years, and now probably 8 more! What a waste of time, dear Brother. We can stack email from here to the moon and without prayer and intercession nothing will be accomplished. I would like to fall down on the side of "maybe He will relent and leave a blessing..." Not a blessing to a nation that have fallen into such sinful behavior, but a blessing on those that love and obey Him in the middle of the storm.
Jesus did not look on those who spit in His face, scourged Him with cords, beat Him in the face and call them infidels and wretches and whores and reprobates; He looked on them with compassion and was heartbroken that they did not know what they were doing! He even prayed for the Father to forgive them!
The murderers of the Son of God! And He asks the Father to forgive them! Such love, such grace, such mercy.
Where is that today? There are so called Christians that are ready for form a posse and march on Washington D.C. with a flaming cross burning at the head of the procession! Some will even have steel covered Bibles to beat sinners and reprobates senseless because of their hatred.
This is not God. This anger is not God. Again, anger is to be avoided. Remember, be angry but do not sin!
God has everything under control. Just because some Believers do not want to join in the lynch mob march does not mean they do not hear from God.
Again, we are to pray for those in authority; I did not say it, God did. Pray that the evil they may cause will fail; Esther did so; King David did so; Joseph did so as he advised Pharoah. It happened once, can it not happen again?
God forgave Ninevah, a wicked and vile nation. He cannot forgive the USA? I thought God was the same yesterday, today and forever?
I guess that is not so if it does not fit into our equasion of how we think things should be.
I did not want to see Senator Obama elected because of his stance on abortion and gay rights. But I know that I now must pray as I have explained.
What will we do when judgment does fall? Beat the deceived over the head with our Bible and tell them "we told you so"? We need a baptism of compassion and the love of God for all men created in His image that realize their error and come to repentance.
I need a double baptism in this regard! I am sure others do also.
Let the sea (the people's) roar, let the mountains quake, let the sea leap over its bounds, our Father created them all and we are safe and secure in His bosom.
I would like to take as many with me into that shelter as God leads my way.
These are troublesome days, confusing days for most, and great darkness is falling. We need to stay in a prayerful state of mind and grow deeper into His will for our lives.
In all that we do, do in a spirit of love. Our Father is love. He so loved the world that He gave His son. Love conquers all.
Yes, we may be living in the days of Jeremiah and the prophets of Israel when they were under judgment. But one thing to remember, these men were broken hearted and dressed in sack cloth and ashes and they identified with the sins of Israel. Even in the Prophet Daniel's prayers, he identified with his people.
I do also. I have been under the bondage of sin and Christ saw fit to pull a fire brand out of the fire and save one such as me.
Call me wishy washy, lilly white and pure, call me a Christian sissy, but I, like Christ on the cross, want to pray and cry for those that will be lost.
Randy ,I got to the hate part of your message and it's typicla your love for the wicked and hatred for the watchmans warning message.
You do not warn the wicked,you do not blow the trumpet but call this true love hate.
Ezekiel 33
Do you see how deceived you have become with this deceiving religious spirit ?
I'm not surprised that you are quick to judge my message as 'hate speech' as this is what the anti-Christ system uses to silence the righteous and protect evil.
And yet to refuse to judge righteous judgment but cover for and make excuses for evil.
It is love and mercy that motivates the watchman to warn and cry out and your judgment of good as evil and evil as good is evil.
Your love affair with Babylon grows more evident by the day.
'Just because some Believers do not want to join in the lynch mob march does not mean they do not hear from God.' randy
So speaking the truth is now joining a lynch mob ?
How dare you,false accuser!
My, how twisted and sick you are behind your shallow religious veneer.
'As far as Freemasonry is concerned, in my younger days (around 25 years ago!) I belonged to a Masonic Lodge; I was a 32 degree mason and heading toward my final degree. There is no conspiricy regarding Free Masonry; it is time to grow up in that regard. They are a tight nit organization of mostly businessmen, bankers and lawyers; the upper class of society for the most part. That is all for goodness sake. We are starting to sound like a bunch of communist or Islamist when we talk of groups, social groups as Freemasonry in such a manner. Who will be the next boggie man-the Moose Lodge or the Elks Club?'randy
James I missed this ,thanks for responding .
Watch how he ALWAY DEFENDS and never judges his evil cohorts but is quick to judge those of us who expose the darkness.
In the end he will stand with the new Nazi's ,as he is already coming against any watchmen who warn and falsely accusing them as he defend's the wicked under the smokescreen of 'praying for them'.
When God told Jeremiah to stop praying I know the Randys were there speaking about God's love and how terrible and hateful Jeremiah's unloving words were
for the wicked of his day.
It's a false religious spirit.
A 32nd degree most surely has a religious spirit he picked up along the way and it's no wonder he loves evil Babylon so much.
How is it possible his father was and A.G. minister as this masonry secret cult was always edxposed
is Luciferian.
John Ankerberg did some very eye opening tv programs on this darkness group.
Dear Brothers, you speak of my words covering up sin and darkness; Christ covered the sins of the whole world by His sacrifical death on the cross of calvary. Sin will destroy itself; we are purified, tested and tried in the process. It is all from above.
The devil is a mad dog on a lease; he can only go so far and no farther. God holds the leash.
If it were not for the enemy how could we be tried and purified? If not for the elections of this year how can the graces of God work in us? Yes, warnings need to go forth throughout the land to make sure Believers are awake and aware of what is coming. We live in dire times and it has just begun.
While some pick apart free masonry, democrats, President elect Obama and his administration that is forming, there are tens of thousands dying and going to hell for eternity. Are we also praying for the lost as we lash out against what some see as an evil administration? Or are we so obsessed with casting out the "demons" in Congress and Washington D.C. that our neighbors are lost without the knowledge of the truth and love and mercy of the living, loving God?
Jesus never went to Rome; the powerhouse of the day. He did not even acknowledge the power of Ceasar except to say give unto Ceasar what is his! In other words, what does what he says matter!
We are of another kingdom. Our job is to bring others into His kingdom of protection, love, righteousness and mercy.
We are not of this world. Do not get entangled into the affairs of this world; not my words but God's.
We all need to reexamine our priorities in these troubled times.
I am not supporting any worldly system. Some see a nazi behind every tree. I see a potential lost soul that the Spirit of God cares for. It is not by our might, not by our power, but by HIS Spirit that we dwell, and live and have our being.
We are to strive to be like the Master of the house; His house.
He is tender, full of mercy and compassion for the lost. He will take care of His servants.
Yes, a time of great fierce judgment is coming upon this earth. He will do this also. No one can do it like He can, and He will. He is the judge, not me.
I am going to occupy until He comes. Store up on the lamp oil, we are going to need it. I am going to use my oil supporting ministries with a heart for Israel, ministering to both Israeli and Arab. This is where the final showdown occurs. This is the great harvest field. This is where His City is. This is my focus.
Why spend so much time reviling something that is falling apart? We should be interceeding for our leaders, neighbors and friends. We have sinned against the light in this country and baring a nation wide revival, we are in for trouble from the Almighty.
Randy wrote;
'We are not of this world. Do not get entangled into the affairs of this world; not my words but God's.'
You dont't like it when the watchmen sound the alarm and call it hate like the Babylon beast you love so dearly, but you find time defend the wicked with false love.
If you really did love them you would be out in the streets instead of your vain empty words of 'intercession'
You are so tangled up and in love with this America Babylon you put before God ,it's impossible that you do not realize your hypocrisy.
you wrote;
'We all need to reexamine our priorities in these troubled times'
You sure do !
I see thru your religious veneer.
You talk alot about interceeding and praying but it's all talk as you will not even sound the alarm.
You won't even warn about the evil of your secret Masonic cult of hell and deception or America's utterly corrupted leadership.
Your call to pray for our leaders and nation is phony because you refuse to warn/EXPOSE their evil as Ephesians 5:11 calls us to do.
I don't even know what you are doing here except for the cause of leaven and religious deception.
'baring a nation wide revival, we are in for trouble from the Almighty'Randy
You are deceived .There is no nation wide revival and the irrevocalbe judgments have begun.
This is where you and I have SERIOUS disagreements.
Your only focus on prayer for the wicked ,minus warning them exposes what you really are.
You are not hearing from the same Spirit and word of God I am hearing from.
I've notice that from the beginning about you.
I shared Helen lomng ago about your nature obfuscation
You chose to ignore His words that you do not like .
Randy, you're not my brother if you don't love the truth.
And you're not my brother if you love freemasonry and defend it.
If you dare to find out the truth about your beloved freemasonry, I challenge you to read this site:
http://www.scarletandthebeast.com
Also, watch the 11 part series they produced on this page:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=scarletandthebeast&view=videos
They do a very good job exposing the vile, evil that freemasonry is.
Randy said:
"As far as Freemasonry is concerned, in my younger days (around 25 years ago!) I belonged to a Masonic Lodge; I was a 32 degree mason and heading toward my final degree. There is no conspiricy regarding Free Masonry; it is time to grow up in that regard. They are a tight nit organization of mostly businessmen, bankers and lawyers; the upper class of society for the most part. That is all for goodness sake. We are starting to sound like a bunch of communist or Islamist when we talk of groups, social groups as Freemasonry in such a manner. Who will be the next boggie man-the Moose Lodge or the Elks Club?"
The comment that concerns me the most is:
"There is no conspiricy regarding Free Masonry"
That sounds JUST like the freemason Minister of Propaganda S. Brent Morris!
http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/brentmorris_CV.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=S.+Brent+Morris
Here is his Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/people/S_Brent_Morris/1183872343
He has a friend named "Lucius Abaddon" on his Facebook page...
That translates to "Lucifer Destroyer"... Some friend eh?
He was quoted on arfilms.org video "Secret Mysteries of America’s Beginnings Volume Two Riddles In Stone: Secret Architecture of Washington, D.C." saying:
"I do not believe that there are any secret plans or designs related to freemasonry."
Sounds ALOT like what you say 32° Randy....
The clip is here:
http://www.antiquitiesresearch.com/video/americassecret.html
Or you can watch the whole movie here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5839084912030464561
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more SUBTIL than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
There is something SERIOUSLY wrong here Randy and I can see RIGHT THROUGH IT!
So spin somewhere else....
I for one think you are false brethren.
James ,
Obfuscation Randy is so religious and says all the right religious stuff,subtle but easy to see when you look at what he never writes about and always ignores.
1/2 of the Gospel message is no gospel message.
It is deception.
Regarding freemasonry; I said I ONCE belonged to a Lodge! I have long sense left and have no affiliation with such. There was nothing there! I am not a businessman, a banker or a lawyer. I did not belong.
There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. Carry on Brothers. May God be with you as we search the Scripture and allow His Spirit to deal with us as individuals, and as a Body.
We each have different functions; the Body has many parts. I am not going to participate in cutting off parts of His Body that may see things in a different light.
The feet do one thing, the head another, the hands another and so forth. I am not going to rip apart or cut asunder what may be a part of His Body in the process of being enlightened (I do not like that word, but for the sake of time I will use it).
We are all vessels in a process of being formed. I am not going to look over on the other "table" and be critical of what He is doing with other vessels. I am busy and occupied with letting Him for me for His own purpose.
When I am complete, then I can watch the Master at work; and I will be in a spiritual body, like His glorious Body when this happens.
I wish you all well. I respect the opinions of all and as we take these views to prayer, His will be done with each of us.
Thank each for the discussions. The Apostles in the days of old, the foundation stones of the Way had issues where disputes arose and we should not think ourselves any different, or better, or more enlightened than they. Paul confronted Peter to his face regarding gentiles and Jews in the same family of God. At times it is necessary.
Do not throw the baby out with the bathwater! Do not throw the bathwater, the baby and the whole tub away! He is working in each of us in His way.
May His will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
There is no conspiricy regarding Free Masonry; it is time to grow up in that regard. They are a tight nit organization of mostly businessmen, bankers and lawyers; the upper class of society for the most part. That is all for goodness sake. We are starting to sound like a bunch of communist or Islamist when we talk of groups, social groups as Freemasonry in such a manner. Who will be the next boggie man-the Moose Lodge or the Elks Club?
Randy
But sir ,you came to their defense.In fact ,you hurled accusations against those who expose the evil workds of darkness in OPPOSITION to the command we are given in Ephhesians 5:11.
Something is wrong here and your brushing aside of this is not credible.
AND, we didn't even touch on Randy's comment embedded in his comment:
"We are starting to sound like a bunch of communist or Islamist when we talk of groups, social groups as Freemasonry in such a manner."
So now we are communists or terrorists for exposing the evil of a clearly satanic organization?
My dad was in the freemasons and my mom was in the eastern star so I know what I'm talking about.
I burned my dads freemason bible and his fez from his involvement in the shriners when I came to Christ but before I did, I looked at the included masonic forward in the bible they gave him.
The masonic forward in their bible is vile filth and has nothing to do with the Word of God in any way.
Praise God ,burning the ungodly garbage is a great testimony.
Whenever Randy gets caught in his nefarius agenda here ,he turns back into an all loving sheep but never repents or admits error.
I'm getting tired of his game and praying about bumping him off this train.
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